Monday, April 05, 2010

Faldo 9th in an UB Rebuy Event

My (AK) and a flop of [AJT] ran into trip 8's on the turn. Oh well.

Two hundred and thirty three (233) entered and Faldo managed a final table appearance. I never had to re-buy, but I took the re-buy option as soon as my chips dipped below the minimum when the blinds passed me and the double add-on at the break.

Many pros swear by Re-Buy tournaments because of their value. You paid the tournament juice (10% usually) only once and buy the rest of your chips at the flat entry fee amount.

So if the tourney is a $10 buy in, you would pay $11 to enter. But the re-buys are only $10. Many pros will enter a $1000 + $100 re-buy tourney and re-buy nine times ($10,100), rather than enter a $10,000 + $900 ($10,900) tourney.

The fields are much smaller and the cash is paid to a lesser number of players. Where the WSOP $10,000 event with 6,000 entries pays around 500 places, The $1,000 event will pay only 200 places in a 2300 player event.

In 2006, Daniel Negreanu once re-bought 48 times in a WSOP $1000 Re-buy buy event before busting out. He would have had to finish 8th to make his money back.

In 2004, Daniel re-bought 28 times in the same event, but finished 3rd netting a $100,000 prize for a nice profit ($72,000).

Now back to us mere mortals. Remember what I said about volume. Edge divided by variance (EV) times number of events equals profit. EV x N = P. For those of you going to school in Ann Arbor or that have, ignore this paragraph. No sense giving yourself a headache.

Consider entering a $1 re-buy tourney with the plan of re-buying or adding on three times (total cost, $4.10), rather than a $4.40 tourney. Remember, juice kills bankrolls.

6 comments:

Brian said...

Nice finish, as well as analysis, Faldo. The top players will rebuy as many times as they can to get more chips in play - they're thinking that the more chips in play, the easier it is for players of their ability to accumulate said chips.

Anonymous said...

How does the value of potential prize winning amount affect the calculations in this scenario?!?!? i.e. you may pay less juice by buying-in 10 times on a $1K tourney, but the payout for the $10K tourney should be 10X as great....ROI.....

Boother

Matchy said...

Boother - It is hard to try to type a response but I think in a rebuy tourney you do not know what the final payouts are until the end. In your example you can't call a rebuy tourney a $1,000 tourney because the payout may be much higher than $1,000 due to all the rebuys. So you might spend $4.10 (.10 in vig w/ 3 rebuys) and have a chance to win more than the alternate, a $4.40 (.40 in vig)tourney. This is just one example that came to mind, I hope I am making sense.

By the way, the new recent post feature on the left is way cool!

Nik Faldo said...

I think the idea is this:

You have 100 players pay $11 for a tourney. Prize money $1000. $100 in rake

Or you have 25 players pay $41 (3 re-buys) for $1000 prize fund. $25 in rake.

The $1000 tourney will pay 9 or 10 places.

The $40 tourney will pay 3 to 5 places.

Anonymous said...

I get that the rake would clearly be less with the re-buy situation, but I was wondering if you bought directly into a $10K tourney, wouldn’t the overall prize payouts be higher than buying int 10 times in to a $1K re-buy tourney (i.e. most people will not re-buy more than a time or 2). Or in other words, assuming the same number of players in each tourney, wouldn’t you have a better chance to win MORE money with the larger tourney?? Does that make sense!?!?!?

Boother

Nik Faldo said...

Maybe yes - maybe no. Yes, it is entry or entry-rebuy-add on dependent.

But in addition to the rake savings, you also have the 'dead' money in the pot already when you have to re-buy. Some people that get knocked out never do - and that is as dead as mmoney gets.

Then, some can - and do - could rebuy 1000 times and not cash (insert Faldo here), and that is repeat dead money.

It's all preference. I just wanted to point out the benefits of re-buy tourneys.

That said - and shown - Faldo don't really like them. It is BINGO early.

But if you adjust, you might be able to scoop up some of that dead green stuff on a cheap rake.